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The Catholic Case for Donald Trump

Hillary’s VP Choice is a Slap in the Face to All Catholics

Tim Kaine

Hillary has selected self described “Traditional Catholic” Tim Kaine. Mr. Kaine is so traditional in fact, that he supports abortion rights, public abortion funding, and partial birth abortion. William D’Antonio, a Catholic University sociologist, described Kaine as a “Pope Francis Catholic.” Thus, we are now thrust back to the days of “Catholic” Pro-Choice New York Governor, Mario Cuomo, who famously invented the position that he was “personally opposed” to abortion, but for “a woman’s right to choose.” This moral fig leaf didn’t work then and it doesn’t work now. One cannot be “personally opposed” to the killing of babies, yet not lift a finger to give them any legal protection. Similarly one cannot be “personally opposed” to Hillary, yet not lift a finger to see to it she doesn’t win the Presidency. 

With this “in your face” VP selection, Hillary Clinton has thrown down the gauntlet to all pro-life Catholics. The liberal pro-choice “Catholics” are already glowing over this choice and are ready to go to the polls to elect their man. Will we as faithful, orthodox, Catholics sit home and allow a man who makes a mockery of our faith become Vice-President of the United States?

Pay very close attention at the convention. Prepare to listen to Tim Kaine talk about his deep personal “Catholic” Faith. Prepare to listen to him laud Pope Francis, as he quotes “who am I to judge?” Prepare to hear him defend government coercion of faith based businesses to support immorality. Listen to him talk about his love for Laudato Si as a pretext to support government intervention in all areas of life to stop “climate change.” Prepare to hear him advocate for women priests (an impossibility):

When Pope Francis visited Washington, D.C., in September 2015, Kaine attended the pontiff’s historic address to Congress. Before the speech, he issued a statement. “If women are not accorded equal place in the leadership of the Catholic Church and the other great world religions, they will always be treated as inferiors in earthly matters as well,” Kaine said. “There is nothing this Pope could do that would improve the world as much as putting the Church on a path to ordain women.”

Prepare to hear him talk about his being taught by Jesuits and his deep Catholic roots. Prepare to listen to our bishops start to gush over him as is inevitable. Keep your eye on Chicago Archbishop Blaise Cupich and others. Prepare to hear your local “social justice” priest start telling you we need to vote for the “Catholic” ticket this November. Please watch all of this carefully and soak it in. Then let it motivate you to stop this mockery of Catholicism in November.

Fellow Catholics, we’ve just had eight years of a pro-abortion Catholic as our vice-president. We cannot tolerate another four to eight years of the vice-president of the United States setting a scandalous example for our religion in public office. We must work to ensure that as many Catholics know about Tim Kaine’s anti-Catholic positions on all of these issues. The days of Mario Cuomo political cowardice Catholicism are over.  Let’s make sure they stay that way.

The following positions of Tim Kaine are from http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/Tim_Kaine_Abortion.htm#12-CC-q1a:

Personally opposes abortion, but keep government out of it

Q: When you first ran as Lieutenant Governor, you were classified as a pro-life Democrat. You’re now not considered a pro-life Democrat. How would you describe your abortion position?

KAINE: People use labels all the time. But I’m kind of a traditional Catholic. I don’t like it personally. I’m opposed to abortion. And personally I’m opposed to the death penalty. I deeply believe, and not just as a matter of politics, but even as a matter of morality, that matters about reproduction and intimacy and relationships and contraception are in the personal realm. They’re moral decisions for individuals to make for themselves. And the last thing we need is government intruding into those personal decisions. So I’ve taken a position which is quite common among Catholics. I’ve got a personal feeling about abortion, but the right role for government is to let women make their own decisions.

Source: Meet the Press 2016 interviews of Veepstakes candidates , Jun 26, 2016
Don’t weaken or subvert the basic holding of Roe v. Wade
I strongly support the right of women to make their own health and reproductive decisions and, for that reason, will oppose efforts to weaken or subvert the basic holding of Roe v. Wade. We all share the goal of reducing unwanted pregnancies and abortions. The right way to do this is through education and access to health care and contraception rather than criminalizing women’s reproductive decisions.

Increased access to contraceptive coverage
Tim has co-sponsored legislation to protect female workers and expand access to affordable health care for women. Tim will continue fighting to protect women’s right to make their own choices about their reproductive health. He supports increased access to contraception and introduced legislation to restore the contraceptive coverage requirement guaranteed by the Affordable Care Act in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby.

Personally opposed to abortion, but it shouldn’t be outlawed
Kaine, a Roman Catholic who worked as a missionary in Honduras reiterated his personal opposition to abortion, but maintained the practice should not be outlawed.

When asked if he’d like to see the Supreme Court overturn Roe the Governor answered, “I don’t think the Supreme Court should.” He continued, “Roe vs. Wade is ultimately about saying that there is a realm of personal liberty for people to make this decision.”

Parental consent; ban partial birth; informed consent
While saying that he supports Roe and that he does not want to criminalize abortion, Kaine voiced support for three abortion restrictions.

He backs a parental consent law in Virginia which has a judicial bypass. He supports a ban on “partial birth abortions so long as there is an exception for the life and health of the mother”. [C4T note: Any reason including headaches and depression can be used as a “health” reason for a procured abortion according to the Roe companion case Doe v. Bolton, so any health exception guts the ban. Therefore, it would be a meaningless ban in name only] He also favors an “informed consent provision” in Virginia which requires abortion providers to “give women information about a whole series of things, the health consequences, et cetera, and information about adoption.”

“Those, I have supported,” said Kaine. “But I don’t think ultimately we ought to be criminalizing abortion.”

Supports public abortion funding.
Kaine supports the CC Voters Guide question on abortion funding

Christian Coalition publishes a number of special voter educational materials including the Christian Coalition Voter Guides, which provide voters with critical information about where candidates stand on important faith and family issues. The Christian Coalition Voters Guide summarizes candidate stances on the following topic: “Public funding of abortions”

Source: Christian Coalition Voter Guide 12-CC-q1a on Oct 31, 2012

 

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39 Comments

  1. Mary Arnold

    Thank you so much for this. What is stated here is so important. It should be published in every parish bulletin. A rosary a day to keep Hillary away.

    • Mary Arnold— Be careful what you are wishing for. Churches are not permitted to campaign, by law. They will lose their non-profit status, thus putting them out of business, and what good is that? They can talk about morals, etc., but cannot connect any of it to the government. That is up to us to decipher what we should do according to our faith. If it gets so hard for an individual to figure it out, that’s where prayer comes into play. Ask God to lead you down the right path, not the easy path.

      • Chris Jackson

        Trump wants to change this so churches can start to speak freely about politics. Amen! Our priests should be able to call out politicians by name from the pulpit without fear of government reprisal.

      • Marie

        Caroline
        I suggest you and others on this list go see Dinesh D’Souza’s new film “HILLARY’S America ”
        I promise after you watch it and learn the truth about the democrat party it won’t be difficult or confusing to decide who to vote for the U.S. Presidency.
        Hillary is a liar, a hypocrite and a baby killer. The film documents why we must never allow her to occupy OUR WHITE HOUSE, and why it’s imperative that we educate others of this danger.
        Of course, we must work as if everything depends on us, and pray as if everything depends on GOD.

    • Geeky Grandma

      Pray the St. Michael’s Exorcism prayer over America.

  2. Mike Crognale

    He’s not a Catholic. He incurred automatic excommunication for his support of infanticide.

  3. donna sherwood

    kaine is not a Catholic of any standing. One is excommunicated latae sententiae severed from mystical body of Christ by ones actions in contravention of violations against canon law. It is a formality to be issued by Church. It is an outrage that the american hierarchy does not catechize the laity in west correctly.
    All Catholics should understand it is not morally licit to vote for any politician who advocates policies in contradiction to the Magisterium on matters of faith and morals. I knew this when I was 10. For shame.

  4. Toni

    Not sure I can continue to support Catholics4Life. Can’t buy into the Pope (and other specifics) bashing. Re-affirming Church teaching is enough. You’ll lose a lot of support because of it and I will do my part to see that happens. God bless us all.

    • Chris Jackson

      Toni,

      Re-read very carefully the few lines that mentioned Francis:

      “William D’Antonio, a Catholic University sociologist, described Kaine as a “Pope Francis Catholic.”

      “Prepare to listen to him laud Pope Francis, as he quotes “who am I to judge?” …Listen to him talk about his love for Laudato Si as a pretext to support government intervention in all areas of life to stop “climate change.”

      One line quotes a Catholic University professor saying he is a “Pope Francis Catholic.” This is what you are going to hear a lot of. This is what the media will be saying if not Kaine himself. I’ve heard he has already referred to himself this way though I have not seen the quote.

      The next few lines are pointing out that he, like all liberal Catholics, are going to use the pope’s words for his own ends. I’m warning everyone to look out for it, because it’s coming.

    • LaDawn Wilson

      I agree Toni and Chris’s response is lame. I stumbled upon this article on Facebook. One read, one article, and I know I don’t want to read anymore.
      “Listen to him talk about his love for Laudato Si as a pretext to support government intervention in all areas of life to stop “climate change.” Who are you talking about, Chris? The pope or Kaine? It really isn’t clear.
      We would do well to keep our side of the street clean and support our pope, who may not be very classically educated, but does have an immense loving merciful soul.

      • Chris Jackson

        If you can’t tell the difference between whether I’m talking about the Pope or liberal Tim Kaine, that should tell you something. That we are in bad shape all around! Tim Kaine lauded Laudato Si and also wants to spend millions of dollars and put new burdensome regulations on Americans and take $ from the environmental lobbies to stop a phenomenon with no proven link to man made activity. The Pope is not infallible or binding on matters of science or public policy regarding it. Therefore we are free to disagree with him in good conscience.

      • Jayne

        He is classically educated but he’s from a socialist country and he shares that political viewpoint. Not good.
        We are not to judge that is true , but we are to discern and to share the gospel so you can’t give certain things a pass under the so called ‘ judgement’ excuse.

  5. Toni

    I meant Catholics4Trump. (Dang auto correct!)

  6. Mitchell

    It’s also important to point out that Kaine was also chosen to appeal to the White working class in general. Hillary is trying to offset her tactical move to the left in order to out maneuver Bernie Sanders. In doing so she drove up her numbers with Blacks and Hispanics but alienated many Whites. I personally don’t think it will work. That’s because in addition to being a pro-infanticide Catholic apostate he’s also a supporter of free trade and immigration amnesty. Just another stooge of big business plutocrats.

  7. John Vicente

    Tim Kaine is an “Archie Bunker” Catholic: “He’s one of your GOOD Catholics, he don’t bother with it.”

  8. Marcia

    I AM A TRADITIONAL CATHOLIC and l resent his saying he is kind of a traditional Catholic!
    I am PRO-LIFE from Conception to the Grave! I believe abortion and euthanasia are MURDER. I follow the teachings of the Bible and the Catholic Catechism.
    Jesus said ” He who if not with me is against me, and he who does not gather scatters” (Matthew 12:30).
    Senator Kaine , you are against Jesus every time you vote for the culture of death. As the Native Americans would say, This man speaks with forked tongue! You and Hil-liar-y make a great team!

    • Jenn

      Then you may not support Trump, because he favors the death penalty. He does dot support the sanctity of human life from cradle to grave.

  9. Jenn

    While I certainly agree that neither Mrs. Clinton nor Mr. Kaine is a worthy candidate, I cannot believe any Catholic can support Mr. Trump either. He has mocked those with disabilities, his position on life issues is not firm, he alienates and rejects on the basis of race and religion, and he stated his support for LGBTQ community in his acceptance speech. One cannot justify an evil by the intended outcome. It is clear that faithful Catholics cannot vote for either Clinton or Trump.

    • Chris Jackson

      Jenn, thanks. Trump did not mock anyone with disabilities. The WaPo reporter was flustered and had no answer when a reporter called him on trying to change his 2001 story about Muslims celebrating 9/11 in New Jersey. Trump, had not even seen the reporter, he read a piece as to his response and imitated a flustered reporter as he read his answer at his rally. Proof of this is that he later imitated a flustered Ted Cruz and made the exact same hand gestures. Check it out. The left will blow any and everything up into a huge issue to defame the man. The man is not perfect but he was not mocking the disabled. Just a dishonest reporter who can’t keep his story straight.

      His position on life issues is 100% firmer than Hillary’s. A vetted list of pro-life SCOTUS nominees? We could only wish that Romney or McCain gave us that kind of assurance. Will be writing more on this later.

      He does not alienate or reject anyone on the basis of race at all. He has said we need a temporary ban on people coming from terrorist laden countries until we can develop an adequate vetting process. This is common sense.

      In his speech he told the LBGTQ community that under his Administration he’d be protecting them from senseless terrorist violence in our own country from radical Islam. Something the other side will not assure at all. I think we can all support that.

      • Jenn

        Clearly there is little room for anyone on this site to hear reason on the candidates – justifying Trump’s disrespectful mocking of the reporter because he may not have known about the disability is like putting lipstick on a pig. We are called to love one another and, by extension, build up one another as opposed to whittling away at their souls. Mocking and degradation are not part of that commandment.

        A pledge to appoint pro-life justices carries little weight from a man who was on record as being pro-choice and whose positions on many issues have changed – sometimes more than once. Additionally, no president has any control as to the number of potential seats on the SCOTUS which may or may not be open in the next 4 years.

        Trump lacks humility, he lacks compassion for the thousands of refugees and illegal aliens who have escaped tyranny, war, poverty, and the like. Catholic social teaching calls us to a “grave moral responsibility towards those [nations] which are unable to ensure the means of their development by themselves or have been prevented from doing so by tragic historical events. It is a duty in solidarity and charity” (CCC 2439). How does blocking all refugees or building a wall or deporting all illegals correspond with this obligation?

        Both Clinton and Trump carry with them horrible potential consequences. The Catechism instruct us that, “one may not do evil so that good may result from it” (CCC 1756) and that “the end does not justify the means” (CCC 1753).

        • Lisa Coyne

          Jen,
          I agree with you in so many ways. Trump seems to be just a businessman with no real moral principles, a pragmatist. His many goals are safety and economic prosperity for our country, which if course are good, and better than this Obama Admin has given us. Trump did not, I think, even mention the unborn or even protecting Americans from violating conscience through healthcare which is really deathcare. So I am very reluctant to support him. The only reason I can get myself to vote for him is because of the people he will appoint: the likes of Ben Carson and Pence, and hopefully many more, who I would have voted for as President in the first place. We know exactly who Hillary will appoint: other rabidly liberal, anti-family, anti-religious freedom, and pro-big business/ corporation supporters who will silence the little guys and force our cooperation. More and more of the same. If I stay home on Nov. 8th, I will really be voting for Hillary, and I’ll be damned (literally) if I do that! 🙂

          • Jenn

            With due respect, a non-vote is not at all a vote FOR any candidate. Anyone who tries to convince you to violate your conscience and the Catechism is trying to scare you into an immoral choice. I leave the judgement of souls to God, but the Holy Spirit’s gifts, specifically Counsel or Right Judgement, help us to know right from wrong and to choose what is right. By your argument, wouldn’t you also be damned for voting for a candidate who advocates physical violence against protestors, shuts out refugees seeking aide, whose policies would severely damage the gift of God’s creation over which he charged us to be good stewards, and who supports the death penalty?

        • Michael

          Should we have compassion with a group of people which wants to replace the Constitution with Sharia law, claims non believers including Christians should be killed, and has declared a global war on the west?

          Let these folks get the upper hand then all churches will be closed. You can forget about Sunday church services. No country which has allowed large numbers of Muslims willy nilly cross its border has benefited as a result. Sweden, Germany, and France are prime examples.

          This is what’s in store for us if they have their way.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evko5zGeBiM

          • Jenn

            Yes, we are to love even our enemies (Mt. 5:44). I don’t recall any limitations on Christ’s commandment to “love your neighbor as yourself” (Mark 12:31). We can love and we can care, and we can still protect ourselves. Deporting millions of illegals and refusing entry to everyone despite their circumstances is NOT love. No one asks us to not to exercise reasonable caution, but Trump’s plans are not reasonable.

    • Jayne

      Don’t wait for your Utopian candidate! The survival of the republic is at stake! Religious freedom, adherence to the Constitution, and the prosperity of future generations is of upmost importance! If Peter with all his flaws was deemed worthy enough to lead the church then I think Trump should at least be given a chance to lead one country founded on Judeo-Christian values. Look for perfection elsewhere.

      • Jenn

        I, a sinner, am in now way seeking perfection among my fellow human being. However, the lack of perfection does not allow us to become complacent and endorse evil in the name of a so called “lesser of the two.” We are all called to holiness and to constantly strive to “perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect” (Mt. 5:48, and CCC 2013).

  10. Skip Mathis

    As a newly minted Catholic Easter Vigil of 2014, I found this website to be very engaging. I am a member of The Knights of Columbus in our parish and remain active in defending our Catholic Faith and Her Beliefs! Thank you for the clarification on Tim Kaine. The local newspaper The Roanoke Times and World News gave a much detailed article on Clinton’s VP pick. Now that I have found this website I found it to be 360 from the article in the local paper! Our nation as a whole is in deep trouble, and we need to put people in the offices of government who uphold the U.S. Const. and the Bill of Rights. Our Founding Father’s would just turn over in their graves if they could see how far the nation they founded has departed from her original intent!! I look forward to reading future articles concerning the November elections from this website!! GodSpeed!!!

    • Chris Jackson

      Skip, Congrats on entering the Church! It is very sad how you can’t depend on the “mainstream” media for any real facts. They know nothing about Catholicism, and even when they do, they only tell you the facts they want you to know. Glad you found us. Keep the faith!

  11. Mike Crognale

    Keep in mind that the prohibition on the churches was initiated by Lyndon Johnson. It was an IRS ruling, not a law.

  12. Mike Crognale

    Jenn, are you familiar with the term “fifth Column”? Look it up and then tell me if you are still against deporting all illegals in the country, especially the thousands of ISIS fighters that Obama has deliberately imported. You need to further educate yourself.

    • Jenn

      Mike, you are the one who needs education. I suggest you begin with the Gospels, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and the writings of great Saints like Mother Theresa of Calcutta and Pope John Paul II. I favor protecting ourselves. I do not favor exportation of innocents, e. g. children whose parents brought them here illegally, and I am not in favor of fear mongering or divisiveness. Fear and hatred are the works of the devil.

  13. Mike Crognale

    I am a cradle Catholic and a faithful son of the church. I have likely been studying those since before you were born. You leave out the most important point. You know the one where Jesus says buy a sword?

    Since you refuse to follow my suggestion let me make it plain. Obama has deliberately imported thousands of ISIS fighters in a bold effort to help destroy the country. I don’t know if you have children but your “coexists” attitude will be scant comfort when the muslims are raping and beheading the children You know, like they are already doing in Minnesota.

    Jesus told us to turn the other cheek. We’ve done that. Time now to go to war.

    As for you, you really need to grow up. I’m done with you.

    • Jenn

      Michael, I know full well about a fifth column and clearly see you have an inherent distrust for the government and believe in conspiracy theories. Tim Kaine is also a cradle Catholic and is picking and choosing which doctrines to follow – for which he is being attacked in this article. My attitude is not one of peaceful coexistence, but I cannot follow the commandments if I kill, and I cannot bring them the Gospels if I believe it is, as you say, “time to go to war” and wipe out all who oppose Christ. I will pray for you and for those who have done something to earn such hatred and fear.

  14. Jenn

    Mr. Franck summarizes the matter vary eloquently.

    http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2016/07/17420/

    • Catholics 4 Trump

      A terrible and dangerous article. Will be addressing it on here soon.

  15. Maria

    Thanks for exposing this pro abort – a disgrace to the Catholic Church.

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